I found that I had unintentionally hijacked the topic in the"weed" forum discussion with my Salvia Divinorum experiences and thought that my descriptions of my experiences were more appropriate in a blog. So here it is. I'll keep updating it as I go.
salvia divinorum looks interesting; quick acting, short duration, not addictive, meditative affects, no hangover. I'm going to try it.
Wikipedia says "Mazatec shamans have a long and continuous tradition of religious use of Salvia divinorum, using it to facilitate visionary states of consciousness during spiritual healing sessions. Most of the plant's local common names allude to the Mazatec belief that the plant is an incarnation of the Virgin Mary, with its ritual use also invoking that relationship"
Here's a poetic description of the Salvia Divinorum experience from the Pharmako/poeia by Dale Pendel:
"It's like a mirror with no frame: some don't see it at all; some do, but don't like what they see.
It's like cat paws, soft cat paws pressing, or like a bunch of bird tongues lapping the mind. Or like tiny fingers, the way ivy fingers reach out to climb a wall . . .
Some say it is a sensual and a tactile thing. Some say it's about temporality and dimensionality–that it's about time travel. Some say it's about the Root Energy Network, or that it is about becoming a plant.
"Bird tongues lapping the mind." We timed them: they hit four or five times per second. It may be the theta rhythm."
I just ordered some plain leaves and some fortified.
Alex, I haven't used Salvia Divinorum yet but I've read a lot about it and will take precautions. If chewed and held in the mouth like the Mexican Indians do, it is very gentle and subtle, takes longer to feel an effect, and can last as long as 3 hours. The effect I'm going for is the meditative state where my mind has free rein. But I'll see what experience I get! Salvia is associated with the Virgin Mary in native cultures because of it's experience of mediation with heaven to help others or oneself. Often native plant based shamanic rituals involve what they call an ally who guides and helps the shaman. In this case Mary is a ally, probably from the Catholic influence. I've already felt the Virgin Mary's help when I had my first and only LSD trip. Praying to her brought me safely home from a really dangerous overdose. The natives teach that praying, singing, or asking a question is the proper way to use Salvia. I'll stay away from vaporizing it or smoking it because the effects are too sudden and extreme. I'll let everyone know what it's like and if it helps with my journey. I think I've been held back by my need for antidepressants and I hope this may give me a boost.
Later: the Salvia leafs have arrived but I don't know when I'll have a opportunity to try it.
okay, I've chewed a low dose of Salvia leaves twice, once without aneros and once with. I'm in a dark quiet room reclining on a couch, anointed with protective essential oil and have my question for the other world in my mind. The leaves taste bitter as I slowly chew them under my tongue and try not to swallow them. I notice a definite change a some point, a heat all over my body. It's pleasantly intoxicating. I direct it to my abdomen where I store my emotional distress, that's what my question for the ally is. The heat bathes my abdomen, it's very nice. I touch my belly to guide it there. The eupho syn has disappeared inside me. If I touch myself it feels good, better than usual. My penis gets hard but feels like someone else's penis. It gets extremely hard, almost painful. I'm watching the shadows in the room for any movement but don't see any. The hanging plant in the next room seems to writhe but I'm not sure. I begin touching myself all over and wonder at how good it feels. I'm surprised each time this happens as if it was the first time. It lasts for only a hour at most. I can tell when it's over, the heat recedes.
I'm not disoriented during or after this. I don't try to do anything physical during the session. It's not like weed or LSD or anything I've done. I'm using leaves fortified with Salvonorin A, the active ingredient so it's a little more powerful but chewing is the least effective way to get the effects. I read that this is the first level of 6 levels of effects, subtle feelings that something is happening, meditative and sexual effects. That's exactly what I wanted. Afterwards I realize that the ally has given me a hint about my question. If I direct my energy to my abdomen with my mind, I may understand the emotional tension that I've stored there and may learn how to heal from it.
I didn't get any benefit from riding the eupho during this session except to feel my whole body eroticized to touch. Even that was subtle. I didn't have any involuntaries or the usual orgasms. I felt the sexual energy building along with the heat and circulated it with my breathing the usual way, concentrating it on my abdomen. I found it harder to think except for my original inquiry. All in all it was interesting but not a break through. I've ordered plain natural unfortified leaves to smoke in a water pipe. This is a more powerful way of experiencing Salvia I've heard. I'll do that at night when I'm on the island in Maine this week and report back. Maybe I'll make this a blog!
Thanks Alex, I'll be careful. I should have a"sitter" with me if I smoke it I'm told. My spouse will be there and I'll smoke a tiny amount of leaves. I want to have a baseline to know how much to take in for putting me in a meditative state. Here's a link to a study on the effectiveness of Salvia for meditation http://www.maps.org/research/salvia/sdmeditation.html.
And here http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showwiki.php?title=Salvia_divinorum. And here http://salviaspace.blogspot.com/2013/11/salvia-tricks-and-useful-meditations_21.html.
Weed is good for arousing me, it always has been. And it is good for focussing my mind on whatever grabs my attention. I'm sure I'll try it with aneros at some point but I don't have a source right now.
Salvia is supposed to be as safe as alcohol if you are careful and take precautions. I'm moving my comments to a blog because I've already hijacked this discussion and don't want to distract from it. Weed is wonderful too if it isn't abused but I found that I was using it too much in the past and it was unfocussing my mind Not for nothing did my friends call me "acidhead" in college.Source: https://www.aneros.com/blogs/another-twist-in-the-road-of-my-journey/