Does anyone have prostate orgasms without involuntaries?

Hi everyone,

I first tried using an aneros product a few years ago, I don’t remember what model I had. Long story short, I got a little frustrated with it and got rid of it during a move. I recently got back into prostate play and bought an Njoy purewand. I had some good feelings with that, which I think were p waves.

I was enjoying prostate play enough that I decided to buy another aneros product, this time the MGX Trident. I think I’ve read just about everything I can find, but I’m still struggling to cause involuntaries.

The MGX trident always feels great when inserted. I often just lay there for a good 20 minutes before I try to use any muscles. I just had a break through where I found that if I alternate my pc muscles and sphincter muscles almost in a rolling motion, I would feel the warm, tingling pressure and an amazing feeling prostate for about 10 seconds. I’m thinking this is a p wave, but I’ve read that maybe that’s the start of a prostate orgasm which get stronger in succession.

Onto my what I think is my big issue, I can’t seem to get involuntaries. Does anyone else get prostate orgasm but never involuntaries? I thought involuntaries were almost a prerequisite for a prostate orgasm. I’ve tried lightly holding my pc muscle, but I don’t feel like I will ever get tired so the muscle never fails. Maybe I’m thinking about this all wrong. Any insight would be appreciated. I’m hoping I’ll read something that will give me a mental “click”. Thanks!