well, so much for saying i'd wait–had the promise of oral sex and thought that i'd try the helix then, but when the promise fell through i went ahead anyway with the session cause i was so het up–same story as before–a little something but not a lot–this time tried a lot of very small contractions and some slight holding with my pc group but didn't start anything worth noting–will try again to hold off for a few days before trying again–let's see if i can do that–ede_1943